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Big Fish In a Small Pond: Lesson from the Precious Left [Feb. 12th, 2011|09:54 pm]
Young Geoffrey
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The Wit and Wisdom of the Internet Elite

What lies below the fake cut (except for those few of you reading via Canadian Left where, in deference to the new rules, I have posted my words in their entirety, not that I expect them to last long there/here) is pure self-indulgence, I admit it.

Having recently been called a "loon, and a racist", as well as having "posted here many times before with rants against French Canadians and Jews" on the Livejournal community CanPolitk by a moral idiot called SourDick, I was a little more than put out when a couple of internet commissars with too much time on their hands took offense to my having the temerity to actually sully the barren grounds of their own Livejournal community with actual posts.

Arguing with them got me branded a "total dick", among other things and so, since I've delivered a book to the printer, put to bed another edition of True North Perspective and made significant headway on a couple of other projects, I decided to tell my tale of woe to my good friend Bill Needle for his thoughtful input.

The following is the result of Bill's (ahem) utterly unbiased analysis. And also, a very funny video from Merry Olde England.

P.S. to Steelcaver: Apparently you've left Livejournal. Thought you might like to know.

This entry was originally posted at http://ed-rex.dreamwidth.org/214447.html. Comment there using OpenID, or here as per normal.

[User Picture]From: mijopo
2011-02-13 03:20 am (UTC)
Dude, somehow you've shaken the LJ world to its very core with your radical posting practice. As you know, I somehow got into a huge blowup with the talkpolitiks mods about a proposed posting rule that they proposed to deal with it, which then turned into a whole lot of drama over at their mod talk post, all of which was ultimately screened so I can't share any of it.
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[User Picture]From: ed_rex
2011-02-13 03:28 am (UTC)

Actually ...

... For whatever reasons (maybe because I was the OP?) I think I saw some the posts on the mods thread, as well as participated in at least part of one of the threads you instigated (thank you very much, by the way).

I've gotta say, though, that even if they can be prickly and move quick, the folks at talkpolitiks have it all over the the ones at canadianleft. And I don't just say that because in the former case they changed their mind (or so I like to think).
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[User Picture]From: mijopo
2011-02-13 03:32 am (UTC)

Re: Actually ...

Yeah, I think the mods there are a good lot, actually, responsive and willing to discuss and even be flexible, just saying it's sorta funny that so much drama ensued.
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[User Picture]From: ed_rex
2011-02-13 03:49 am (UTC)

Re: Actually ...

I was pretty taken aback by what I saw. Best interpretation (and I hesitate, because it's been a while and I'm not sure I saw everything), is that whoever you went after got on the defensive and found it hard to get off. But the two of you have had words before, haven't you ...? :)
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[User Picture]From: mijopo
2011-02-13 03:53 am (UTC)

Re: Actually ...

talking about the talkpolitiks mods, just to be clear.
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[User Picture]From: ed_rex
2011-02-13 04:01 am (UTC)

While I'm justifying my "practice" ...

... I'll note that mostly my methods are pretty widely accepted. And even, as here, seem to generate one fuck of a lot of conversation. (If I do say so myself.)

[Edited to fix link.]

Edited at 2011-02-13 04:02 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: steelcaver
2011-02-13 08:54 am (UTC)
Er, actually, I do still use LJ. Just less often than I used to - people seem to have defected to FaceBook en masse, and logging in once a week is sufficient to catch up on everything here now. I don't comment as often as I once did, but I am still reading.

I wouldn't take sourdick seriously. He's a bored suburbanite with too much time on his hands, which he spends by making inflammatory comments on-line. The only occasion I saw him say anything that appeared to be truly genuine was when I saw him explain to someone that even though he was openly gay, he didn't participate in the gay community or vote for gay-friendly parties because he was trying to get himself and his partner accepted by middle-class suburban Canada rather than by downtown gay-scene types... and that explanation pretty much destroyed any chance of my ever assigning any value to him as a human being. Bad enough to turn away from one's own people, but to go sucking up to people who actually take pride in excluding one? He's useless as anything other than a potential source of protein at this point.
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[User Picture]From: ed_rex
2011-02-13 04:07 pm (UTC)

I knew that, of course

Er, actually, I do still use LJ.

As per the subject-line, I knew that. I'd meant to include this link to let you know that, apparently, your fellow mods at canadianleft are spreading the word that you're no longer around.

You're quite right about sourdick, of course, and reason told me even at the time to just let it be. But, though I'm used to the normal rough and tumble of the internet — call me a "total dick" and I might mock you, but I won't get upset — but being labelled and anti-Semite was something kind of new to me.

Your info about his background kind of makes me feel sorry for him, but "useless" still about sums up my opinion of him.

[Edited (twice) to fix HTML. Sorry about that.]

Edited at 2011-02-13 04:08 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: sourdick
2011-02-26 08:44 pm (UTC)

Re: I knew that, of course

I mixed you up with someone else, and I apologized
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[User Picture]From: ed_rex
2011-02-27 12:12 am (UTC)

Re: I knew that, of course

Some mix-up.

"You're probably not a racist. Sorry."

Some apology.

That's the weasel "apology" of a back-tracking politician or a Hollywood celebrity after getting caught melting down on camera.

"Probably not a racist"? Fuck off, Dick.
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[User Picture]From: beable
2011-02-13 07:14 pm (UTC)

The Canadian left thing is hysterical

On the one hand, I do agree with the "don't redirect people to your website" style of posting - if I was modding a community I would have that as one of the rules. The difference between a 3rd party link to a news article, and the "click here to continue reading at Edifice Rex Online" type of links is the first is meant to cause people to go away and read, and then come back and discuss in the community. The second encourages people to go have the conversation on your blog instead.

That being said, OMFG the drama!

I think the mods arguing with you (ghostwes and frickinmuck) seem to largely be upset that you had the *gasp* temerity to not immediately be swayed by their overwhelming discussion. You, sir, were apparently in the wrong for not agreeing with them fully and immediately, and not seeing the wisdom of their ways.

We like freedom, choice, and democracy. You will form a consensus with us, citizen

(Edited to fix the immediately noticeable typos. Disclaimer: This does not mean there aren't others)

Edited at 2011-02-13 07:15 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: ed_rex
2011-02-13 09:16 pm (UTC)

Re: The Canadian left thing is hysterical

On the one hand, I do agree with the "don't redirect people to your website" style of posting - if I was modding a community I would have that as one of the rules.

I can certainly understand that objection, and very nearly said "Yes, I agree," when it was proposed as a rule change on talk_politics recently. Then a counter-argument from another source, which I've since decided is correct — namely that the self-promotional aspect is outweighed by the similarity between referencing a third-party source (where outside discussion could also occur) and referencing one's own source is pretty arbitrary. After all, your rule wouldn't preclude me, say, from posting a link to an article I'd written for the Globe.

And further, I think this post, which used the same methodology, and garnered over 400 comments, proves it needn't "damage" a community that's more interested in the subject than in the form.

But anyway, yes, it's a defensible position, even if I disagree with it. I do kind of wonder long that community will stay unsullied by anything but the occasional piece of Russian spam, though ...

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[User Picture]From: sourdick
2011-02-26 08:46 pm (UTC)
What a curious thread
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