|So, I'm not the only one
||[Aug. 4th, 2009|01:23 am]
Apparently I'm not the only person who thinks race may not have been the cause of Gates' arrest.
Thanks to supergee for this article, and to the internet in general for this one.
And, not related to race (at least not directly) but definitely related to a creeping police state: "The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes."
Of course you're not the only one. There are always plenty of people who will insist that race has nothing to do with anything.
2009-08-04 06:42 am (UTC)
Not that that's what I was doing
There are always plenty of people who will insist that race has nothing to do with anything.
As per the subject-line, I was suggesting that race had nothing to do with that particular incident (as well as suggesting that police culture is, essentially, thuggish).
2009-08-04 06:47 am (UTC)
Re: Not that that's what I was doing
I know, and I found your analysis interesting and agree that we really need to be talking about police culture right now, and the fact that the profession attracts the sort of people who are exactly wrong for keeping the peace. (Of course, I also suspect some racism was afoot when the police were called, but that's another issue.)
My point is, you never need to be surprised that people agree with "Incident X had nothing to do with race." I swear sometimes there could be a cross burning on the White House lawn and some asshat would claim it was just a joke or a protest against environmental policies or something.
Also, typing fail. :P
Edited at 2009-08-04 06:49 am (UTC)
2009-08-04 06:59 am (UTC)
Re: Not that that's what I was doing
Typing Fail is always cool on this journal; edit merrily away. (But note, potential prevaricators: all comments are emailed to me and if any of you substantively alter the sense one of your comments I'll out you lickety-split!)
My point is, you never need to be surprised that people agree with "Incident X had nothing to do with race."
Point taken. And I'm suddenly kind of nervous, because I gave the linked pieces only relatively cursory goings-over.
Which in a disconcerting way, reminds me that one of the "top referrers" to my website is (god help me) the National Socialist Party of Canada. I've never found an actual link to me when I've looked, so I'm guessing they're stealing photos — er, or something.
(Speaking of editing, this one modified to correct a stupid HTML error.)
Edited at 2009-08-04 10:42 pm (UTC)
Yes, also see the Crooks and Liars blog on this matter:
) (I really did read your longer post too and had intended to post this there):
"I appreciate the work of law enforcement. But regardless of race, too many cops have the belief that if they get insulted, they have the right to turn that into an arresting offense. That's not the law whatsoever, nor should it be. It creates a chilling effect among the public not to call out bad behavior in law enforcement or raise your voice in any way."
I recall once, at the age of about 20, discovering my car missing from in front on my parents' home only to eventually learn that the police had had it towed. When I went to the police station to reclaim it I asked for the reason and upon failing to get a satisfactory one, indicated that the towing struck me as preposterous bullshit. An officer not even involved in the conversation approached and asked if I realized that the officer with whom I was speaking could easily have me arrested. I knew enough to back down and I learned a valuable lesson, that has since held me in good stead, about policemen, their delicate egos and the extent to which that trumps their respect for the law. (And yes, I speak in wide generalizations ...)
"Policemen should not be allowed to arrest someone for being an asshole in their own home." That really sums it up, doesn't it?
An officer not even involved in the conversation approached and asked if I realized that the officer with whom I was speaking could easily have me arrested.
Reminds me of a story my younger brother told me, about an incident that occurred during a G7 summit here in Toronto. He had been walking along Queen Street when a plain-clothes security agent of some type (cop? secret service? We'll never know) told him to "move along". Tom asked why and the agent simply opened his coat and placed his hand on his gun butt, then said again, "Move along."
Tom also learned a valuable lesson and backed down.